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 The rumors are true - check this out
Author: Bustlin 
Date:   07-28-03 16:23

http://www.camphorseshoe.com/

I know none of you.

But I promise you Jordan and Fran will turn this into something unbelievable.

Be a part of history - imagine the joy you will get out of son attending the first ever session of Camp Horseshoe MkII...

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 Re: The rumors are true - check this out
Author: aaa 
Date:   08-21-03 10:10

Yes, imagine it. Half a camp situated nicely by an airport. Sounds great. Oh yeah, and Jordan is a genuine guy...not.

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 Re: The rumors are true - check this out
Author: catman 
Date:   08-21-03 11:45

Sounds like sour grapes to me.

If this is:

David Tasner: taz@kawaga.com

You are not serviing your cause. This is not an attempt to take anything away from Camp Kawaga. You can not understand the ties that Horshoers have from our experiences. Those that visit this site are looking to rekindle a lost passion and it appears that Jordan has rekindled that flame.

Jordan, we the alumni (campers and counselors) will support you in any way we can.

Hail to the Forrests!

Roy

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 Re: The rumors are true - check this out
Author: aaa 
Date:   08-23-03 18:33

First off, this is not David Tasner, and you are not impressive by leaving his email address here.

Secondly, I understand how great this must be for you alumni. But, it is not great when campers and counselors who have ties to other camps and being lured to go to your camp.

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 Re: The rumors are true - check this out
Author: Bustlin 
Date:   09-02-03 16:52

aaa

Last time I was there, America was a country of freee choice, is it not?

You even have an admendment in your constitution procliaming this, do you not?

I am certain no one has a gun to the head of any campers / counselors considering leaving Kawaga?

Maybe they believe in the leadership of Fran and Jordan more than the current Administration of Kawaga?

How many other Camps will loose campers / counselors who want to try Horseshoe, because their Dad went there 10, 20 , 30 years ago?

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 Re: The rumors are true - check this out
Author: Anonymous 
Date:   09-12-03 17:19

Bustlin,

Who are you? I respect your decision to support Jordan and Fran, but I think you should remember WHERE you started. I do not think you can forget the impact that Kawaga has your, and many other's lives. As a current member of the Kawaga Nation, I can honestly say that I didn't returned each summer just because Jordan was the director. Yes, he did have a impact on Kawaga, but there is so much more to Kawaga than the director. No disrespect meant to Jordan whatsoever, but Kawaga was a truly magical place before him and it will continue to be for many many more years to come. I wish Jordan, Fran and his family the best of luck with Camp Horseshoe, but I think that this whole argument is just stupid. As many alumni from both Kawaga AND the old Horseshoe, their experiences at camp teach them not to act this way. I am not saying to side with Kawaga, Bustlin is right when he says that everyone has their own choice. However, I feel that we shouldn't convince others to choose sides by offering something that the other cannot. If they are loyal to Kawaga, let it be. Do not try to bring down Kawaga because of some bad tension between the camps or the owners.

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 Re: The rumors are true - check this out
Author: aaa 
Date:   09-14-03 15:15

Bustlin,

Sorry, screw respectuflness, you're an idiot. I am embarrased that you were ever worked at Kawaga. Jordan is a man of vengence and is taking away campers from Kawaga out of pure spite. There are easily enough campers to go around, but Jordan wants the campers that we already have in order to hurt Kawaga. If anyone trusts Jordan more than the current Kawaga admin, it is probably becuase of some blasphemous rumour that Jordan started.

Now, I don't really want to get in an argument with you, (1. you're an idiot, 2. I have better things to do) but you have to understand that when campers' families are given monetary incentive, counselors are given extra money and are guarenteed jobs after camp, they do not leave Kawaga becuase of the current director. Campers leave becasue their parents want to pay less. Counselors leave so they are guarenteed a job (which they won't be anyway)

It is a shame that anyone who is considering a camp soley bases their decision on a director (or, in Jordan's case goes, something more equivelent to a used-care salesman) because there is much more that camp has to offer. Kawaga was built 90 years ago upon strong moral values. The NEW Horseshoe is built on vengance. My apoligies to the alumni.

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 Re: The rumors are true - check this out
Author: Bustlin 
Date:   09-14-03 16:40

Anonymous

Well said!

If you really want to know who I am, e-mail me from the link on my name.

Cheers

Bustlin

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 Re: The rumors are true - check this out
Author: randyheld 
Date:   09-16-03 09:11

Aaa,

“I am embarrased that you were ever worked at Kawaga.”
“some blasphemous rumour”
“Counselors leave so they are guarenteed a job (which they won't be anyway)”
“A used-care salesman”

You embarrass yourself and those associated with Kawaga when you post such a poorly written document. Obviously, you have poor spelling and grammar skills. If you don’t return to grammar school you should at least utilize the “Spelling and Grammar” checking tools provided by your word processing software.

America’s economy is based on the free enterprise model. Organizations are free to lure customers and employees from the competition. It happens everyday in all industries – including summer camps. So you think Jordan did not leave Kawaga under positive circumstances. Now Camp Horseshoe II might compete with Camp Kawaga. Get over it. Jordan is free to offer any incentive to campers’ families and counselors to lure them to the new Horseshoe. Likewise, the directors at Camp Kawaga are free to make counter offers and even make offers to lure campers and counselors from any other camp. Jordan’s only obligation is to live up to the incentives he offers. In the end the success of Camp Horseshoe II will depend on Jordan’s ability to deliver a quality experience that is competitive in a free market place.

Please return to school or tend to the “better things” you have to do. Just do all of us a favor and stay off of this website!!

Randy Held

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 Re: The rumors are true - check this out
Author: Tripp Hainsfurther 
Date:   09-16-03 12:33

Randy has done a good job saying what I was thinking, but let me add a couple of points.

First, I am likely much older than you, and have accumulated some wisdom as both a camper and a parent of a camper. I find it hard to believe that someione would switch their camp preference based solely on price. Your attachment to camp (and mine and my son's) is an emotional one and money really doesn't figure into it. It is much moe likely that anyone considering changing camps is based either on having a negative experience at the camp (as was the case with my daughter), or has some sort of unique relationship with (in this case) Jordan. In my practice if we lose a client, I always try to determine what I could have done better and then try to implement change.

Kawaga is a great camp. My son has many friends who go there and looked at it himself before deciding on Timberlane. Part of what makes Kawaga great are some of the traditions that Jordan brought with him from Horseshoe like Super Relay and All Night T-Hunt. I am sure he will bring some of the great Kawaga traditions and blend them into his new venture.

Competition makes us all stronger. The sharing of "best practices" helps improve what we do or the products that we offer. But focusing on negative things weakens us. Instead of crying about the fact there is a new competitor in town, why not tell the world why Kawaga is a great camp and what makes it special to you. That will, in the end, make everyone better.

Finally, I know that when there are disagreements, there are 3 sides to the story.. the two parties involved and the truth, which is usually somewhere in the middle. In this case, Jordan and the Fishers (who own Kawaga) had a disagreement, and both think they are right. Somewhere in the middle is the truth, which we will never know. Let's not take sides, but wish them all success, because in the end if they offer a better prduct or more choices, future campers will benefit..

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